Finding Universality in Sound with Nvrsoft on the Virtual Sessions 9/17/25

Summary

In this Virtual Sessions episode, host Darran Bruce welcomes Kathy, also known as Nvrsoft, to share her path from curious teenager to established artist in the drum and bass scene. She begins by reflecting on the origins of her stage name, rooted in gaming memories with her brother, and how those moments continue to influence her creative identity.

 

Kathy describes her music as deeply emotional, often carrying a “pretty sad” tone yet aimed at being universal. She feels a natural connection to liquid and jungle drum and bass while experimenting with halftime, trap, and experimental beats. For her, music is about making connections that transcend personal experience and resonate broadly with listeners.

 

The conversation highlights her collaborations with Souljunk, Sophia, and the YANA Music collective, while also spotlighting her leadership within D&B Girls. Kathy emphasizes building safe and supportive spaces, encouraging diversity, and mentoring the next wave of artists. These roles showcase her dedication to growing the culture beyond her own projects.

 

Away from music, Kathy shares how her academic studies in communications and her love of culinary arts shape her worldview. She discusses her admiration for thinkers like Joseph Campbell and creatives like Anthony Bourdain, who inspired her to view artistry as a shared human journey. Looking forward, she teases orchestral collaborations, new festival dates, and continued growth as both an artist and community builder.

 

Topics

0:25 – Origins of the Nvrsoft name and early inspirations
4:47 – Describing her sound and connection to liquid and jungle
9:13 – Collaborations with Souljunk and local community building
12:25 – Work with YANA Music and celebrating YANA 100
14:39 – Partnership with Sophia and industry recognition
18:12 – Creating safe, diverse spaces through D&B Girls
28:05 – Balancing public image, privacy, and authenticity
41:38 – Academic background and philosophical influences
49:58 – Inspirations from Samuel Richards and Anthony Bourdain
56:07 – Upcoming projects, UKF feature, and orchestral collaborations

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[Darran]
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the DJ Sessions Presents the Virtual Sessions. I’m your host, Darran, and right now I’m sitting in the virtual studios in Seattle, Washington, and coming to you all the way from Ambridge, Pennsylvania, we have Nvrsoft, aka Kathy, in the studio today. Kathy, how you doing?

[Nvrsoft]
Hi, I’m DJ Kathy, and I’m emotionally exhausted.

[Darran]
I’m really good, how are you? I’m doing great. Well, you got your tea, you got your throat coat tea going on, and we got this special can of spaghettias in the background, we’ll be talking more about that in the show, but you know, first of all, let’s get into, you know, this is the first time we’ve ever met, never met you before, super excited to know more about you, let our DJ Sessions fans know more about you and everything, but what’s the story behind your artist name, Nvrsoft, where does it come from?

[Nvrsoft]
So, I started DJing when I was 15 years old. I had to get my parents to sign waivers. When I played in the club, the first place I ever played was for Dominic Dottetta and the Wonderful 3D Productions at U Street Music Hall for Andy C.

My first ever show was opening up for Andy C. at U Street Music Hall. So, every day after school, I’m a very casual gamer, but my little brother and I, we’re about three years apart, his name’s Michael, he’s amazing, but we would always play our GameCube together after school.

It was a thing that we always did when we were kids. We liked Animal Crossing, Bomberman, we liked Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, we played a lot of Super Smash Brothers, and we also really loved Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3, all the pro skaters, but especially 2 and 3. But so, when Dom called me up, he called me up when I was playing the TV3 with my brother, and so we’re just kind of jamming, and he goes, Kat, we’re putting the flyer together.

What name am I putting on the flyer? And I hadn’t thought that far, okay? I’m a Leo, I had not thought that far, at all, whatsoever.

And I’m like, ugh, ugh, and I’m like clutching joystick, like, ugh, ugh, and my brother, all right, like, talk about, you know, he’s a cancer, I’m a Leo, and he’s like, he’s got all the, he’s like a accountant, businessman, that man, amazing. So he comes in clutch, and he just goes, Catherine, he’s like 12 years old, he goes, Catherine, Nvrsoft just went out of business, that’s a cool name, they just went bankrupt, you should take their name. And I was like, you know what?

Yeah, and I was like, yeah, and so I literally, because it was, I believe this was 2000, either 2009 or 2011, I think it was 2011, but I just, it was en vogue to drop some vowels, so I dropped some vowels, and then it stuck for the rest of my life. For me, it reminds me of one of the best, I mean, talk about a pioneering soundtrack and what that did for, not only just for video game culture, but like making that accessible to so many people and bringing that art all around the world and showcasing so many people. And I think what Tony Hawk did was a massive art, but I remember that soundtrack, it was iconic to me, but really for me, picking that was like, I remember that it’s my connection to my family and my little brother.

Like, you know, it’s funny, because I think a lot of people see that, they expect for me to be a dude, and I’m not. And so I either get like, either people totally get the reference or they’re like, where’s your OnlyFans? And I’m like, wrong number, you know?

Like, it’s not, no offense to any of that, like seriously, no hate on that game. It’s just like, I’m like, it’s not the thing. So, you know, if I had a penny for every like, joke that I got about that, I think I’d be a much richer woman.

It just reminds me of my childhood and just the special moments that I had every day after school, when my brother had a tough day, when I had a tough day, we just sat down and played video games together. You know, that’s what I did with him and my small core group of friends. So yeah, that’s where it comes from.

[Darran]
Nice, nice. I’m a video game head myself. We have one of the largest, you probably heard of PAX, I assume.

Yes. So yeah, it started here.

[Nvrsoft]
And I’m sure my boyfriend would as well.

[Darran]
Yeah, it started here in Seattle years ago. And then now they have PAX East and Australia, PAX EU and very awesome. I love going there every year.

It just happened a few weeks ago here on Labor Day weekend. So it was awesome. But if you could describe your music in three words, how would you describe it, what you produce?

Three words. One, two, three.

[Nvrsoft]
I only have two. Pretty sad. Pretty sad.

With a hyphen in the middle, if that counts.

[Darran]
What was that again?

[Nvrsoft]
Pretty sad.

[Darran]
Pretty sad.

[Nvrsoft]
I mean.

[Darran]
Pretty sad, like an oxymoron? Pretty sad and global.

[Nvrsoft]
I mean, I think everybody knows me for my liquid and that’s my core. I mean, I think that when you come back to drum and bass and like, I think the two, there are many, we have like, I don’t like house music. You know, you have many sub genres that kind of like float in and out of like the popularity, but there’s a core, like in-house music.

What’s never gonna die is Detroit and Chicago house and disco, right? And techno, right? You got those roots that are just never gonna die.

And also don’t forget about no trance, okay? But you know, for a drum and bass, I think it’s jungle and it’s liquid. I think those things are just really universal.

I think that those sub genres just never die. Like when I started listening to music and I found this music, I used to wait up at night to do two things. Watch Adult Swim.

And then I would stay up every, like every time, Friction, I would wait to crack my computer so I could listen to the drum and bass show with Friction every single weekend. And to listen to Pete Tong’s Essential Mixes. That’s how I found that.

And I think like, you know, I remember like my favorite essential mixes of all time, Mazzo, Caliber, Shim, you know, Shimmy. Those were really formative to me. And I just think like all of this, that beautiful music that is just so beautiful and it’s raw and it’s steep.

I’m not kind of, I’m not the person to do the kind of fairy liquid stuff. I mean, like maybe like, like good, but like the poppy liquid stuff, that’s kind of, I mean, I think besides like it, which I love, I don’t think like, I think I love, I’m very proud of that tune. I think it’s a beautiful tune.

But for the most part, my liquid is very, you know, it reminds me all those times, like I think liquid and jungle is so cathartic in just the way that it will make you, you know, reflect on pretty deep emotions, but also just channel it into a place that’s beautiful. And so I think, you know, a lot of people, you know, they listen to me and they listen to my stuff. Like if you find my Spotify and stuff, I think most people are going to go to liquid, but I released lots of things.

I mean, I’ve got, I’ve got my, you know, I released my dance floor on Yana. I’ve got, I’m working with my friend’s emerging label in Bristol, Murmuration. They’re doing amazing neuro.

And so I’m going to be putting out a couple of EPs and some remixes on them, maybe building up to an album. I’m working with, I hope they don’t kill me for this, but I’m really lucky to be working with Pavan and Taylor at Forum Currency. And because I do, I make all sorts of things.

I don’t just make drum and bass. And so I’ll be starting to release some of my, you know, some of my more left field things, more than 140, 150 territory. Some of my halftime, I love making halftime because like, I mean, I’m from the East coast.

I love my East coast hip hop and my like, and my trap music, you know, and like, and, and grime. And like, I love that. I’m a very, like when I’m mad, you know, I like to make halftime and I, and I like, I’ve got some exciting stuff coming up.

So, I mean, I just kind of, I make everything I can. I don’t want to be somebody that’s pigeonholed into one thing, even though I’m like, they’re like, that’s what you’re saying. He’s followed that.

And I always will follow it. But like, I want to, you know, I want to work with whether it’s Sony, my friends, emerging labels, I don’t care. I just want to work with like really good people, putting out good music, supporting their artists and doing things that are authentic.

And that I’m grateful to have outlets where I get to express all those different sounds. So I would say, honestly, hopefully it doesn’t sound too cocky, but the third word I think would be universal. Yeah.

If I got lots of emotions and I want to express them.

[Darran]
Yeah. And you just had, you have, you just had something come out recently with you and Souljunk.

[Nvrsoft]
Souljunk, yeah. My friend, Nate from Kenny.

[Darran]
And then you have some other stuff coming up here. I mean, like in a couple of days and later this month. So let’s talk about that, the Souljunk and Nvrsoft.

Collaboration with you, Aspire Higher, that just came out. How did that collaboration come about? Are you friends?

Do you know each other?

[Nvrsoft]
Yeah.

[Darran]
I got each other online.

[Nvrsoft]
Homies. And like, yeah, we met each other online. I just, I loved what he was doing.

Loved his energy. I really like saw that like somebody who’s doing so much to support their local scene, bring other people up. It’s like, when I think of like, what brings me joy is seeing like the next generation of artists.

And like, I’m like, thank God, like the torch is gonna be passed to people, you know? Like when I see that, like, I don’t get that like, ooh, I’m afraid. I really get like, that brings a new fire in me.

Like that brings me so much hope. And Nate’s one of those people. He’s such a real person.

Him and his girlfriend, Alexis, wonderful people. And I just like, we’ve, it’s what’s funny is we met in person like once at like Jungle Bells. And we were like, finally, you know?

But like, it was like one of those like people where it’s just like, man, you know, it was a real thing. Like we talked and like, I like, he’s starting up his production. He’s been grinding so hard, just did a massive tour that, you know, him and his friend Radium, you know, put together all themselves, really putting in the work.

And not just for themselves, but like, you know, I think like Nashville and like the South, like in American drum and bass, like they don’t get enough of the credit that they deserve. Like two of my favorite places to play are the Carolinas. Like, you know, like I love, I love the South.

And I think they have such good people and they have so many talented artists. And so like, so I just, you know, I’m just, you know, I would send him my tunes for feedback and he would send me his stuff. And so we worked on a couple, couple of sketches that like almost made, but just didn’t, you know, like not everything you make is gonna get put out, you know, even if like things happen, but then we found with you and we’re like, yeah, man, this one.

And so like that took mad time, but like, I just, I was like, man, just, you know, hold on to it, we’re gonna find the right place for it. And like, for me, I wanted to, you know, Ryan who runs Aspire Higher, who’s doing amazing things all around the Pennsylvania, New Jersey, East Coast area, who’s putting on Submersion Festival. And honestly, some of the, one of the best crews that I’ve worked with, everybody that he, that he works with and that supports him like that’s, man, one of the truly good festivals that we have, which is a, you know, needle in a haystack, man, like he’s doing it.

And so he runs this thing called Tune Tuesdays, which they just, you know, they put on, you know, the artists that are involved. And so they asked me to do one. And so I sent him a bunch of tunes, some of my stuff, but a lot of the tunes that I’ve been doing with my friends that I wanna put up that I think, and so that’s the one he picked.

And I was so happy because I just like, it’s just a way like, one, I wanted to get that tune out with my friend and two, I just thought it was the right place because like, that’s somebody I think like really deserves to be on their radar and things like that. Like hoping like, you know, like, you know, the people that, you know, that, that are there, you know, like they’ll get their time to shine and that they’ll get their place on the stage, you know, like that’s important.

[Darran]
Yeah, and you have something else coming out just this, this weekend. I mean, coming up, it’s the Turn Up The Sound. Yeah.

And what is YANA 100? What is YANA?

[Nvrsoft]
YANA music is run by my friend, Christian, Toronto’s Broken. Probably a lot of people would know him from his work. He got started on Viper really well.

Started before that, but I think he really made his name in Viper, but he, he left the team graciously and started his own label. Like, you know, many artists do. And I was, him and I also in that friendship made into a collab.

Like one of the first times I came to England, we got in the studio and we made Body Them. And Body Them started as a halftime track that I sent him. And then it turned into that raging dance version.

You know, like, and Christian is just, man, like, he’s such a good person that is just like, I’m more of a, I think I’m more of a composer than I am an engineer. I always engineer myself. But like, for the most part, like I, you know, like, I think you’re in like two different camps and like, he’s a, he’s an incredible sound engineer.

And like, also, I mean, a really fantastic composer in his own right, but he definitely like, you know, I was really blessed to have his friendship because he was, I was so proud of him for being so brave to go on his own and just be like, no, I’m gonna make my, you know, I’m gonna make a platform to release my things and I’m gonna put on my friends and I’m gonna start this. And so I think our release was either, I think it was Yana too. I think it was like the second release on it.

And then I just watched him fly. I just watched that label fly, you know? And it was just like, that’s like, and the community of all those artists, it’s just, it’s such a good like thing of people.

So Yana 100 is their 100th release. And it’s got, you know, all of our, you know, like I’m honored to be a part of it. Like I really am.

So like, so that comes out. It’s getting released in stages, but my tune’s gonna get air on the 19th. So this Friday, two days.

And then I’ve got the hyperlinks to the Yana 100 floating around. I would love for people to support it because that label really does, all the labels I work with, they really do deserve love. So I’ve got that one.

And then, yeah, it’s been three releases in this month. Yeah. The next one coming up with Sophia.

Locked down because I got another one’s cooking that I can’t talk about quite yet, but soon.

[Darran]
Well, you have the other, the next one coming out after that is the one with Sophia, Like It.

[Nvrsoft]
Yeah, so Sophia and I did Like It. That was originally released on Audio Porn Records. And then it got a licensing contract with Epic Records UK, which Zink, TJ Zink and his wife, and Callum, who’s absolutely amazing.

Who’s absolutely amazing.

[Darran]
Woof you off.

[Nvrsoft]
Sorry, that’s my dog. Hey, it’s okay. Yes.

But, you know, but so I was, I’m incredibly grateful to have the opportunity to work with the Sony team and Epic. They’ve done such an amazing job. So what they did with the tune is they wanted to bring on some UK grime artists.

So we’ve got some really, really talented girls, Wody and Crystal, who honestly have murdered their verses. And I think are really taking it into a new kind of twist. So I think we’re testing out, seeing how that goes.

But honestly, they just did, they just filmed all the music video stuff, which I’m really mad that I wasn’t there for, but they’re in a, they live in the UK in Jersey. But, you know, all of us, Sophia’s team and the Epic Records team did a great job filming it. I think when it blew up, it’s funny.

Cause like that tune, we didn’t expect it, but it blew up immensely with the car scene on TikTok. Yeah. It was all the car boys.

Okay. And then at one point, I think it was at one point, so Uber made it their tune of the week, which was crazy. I was like, I’m in Ubu Jabber.

And it was amazing. So they have like their own playlist for all the premium, like the luxury vehicles when they play. So I was like, I’m on Ubu Jabber.

And like, I love, I literally like, I love my driver. So we got a lot of support from like the car community on TikTok. And so I think we just kind of like, and I think that it’s just so cool to see like a track like that resonate, you know, with like, I think you would think these are like, you know, like macho dudes, but they’re like, you know, like that’s the kind of tune that they resonated with.

And that’s why I think like, you know, like Liquid and Sophia, man, her voice, absolutely beautiful. And like her lyrics just brought so much life to that. And in such a special way, like it wouldn’t, like it wouldn’t be anything without her stuff.

I think like each and every person has had an equal contribution to that track. And like, I feel like I’m the DJ mustard in the gang, but like, I’m cool with that. Like, I love to see those young girls get together and shine and just vibe out and do that.

Like, you know, and bring that and take that into their generations, translate into that. You know, I think our music’s not gonna, you know, not gonna continue if we aren’t, you know, genuinely tapping into, you know, the new generations, that elitism and that old, I don’t like that, you know, like it’s not gonna spread if you don’t welcome, you know, new people and-

[Darran]
That was, yeah, that was one of the founding reasons for the DJ sessions was taking, I was growing up in the nightclub world and the electronic music scene here in Seattle and saw a lot of phenomenal DJs and talent. And when the DJ sessions started, it was a show to basically take those DJs and put them on kind of to a worldwide audience.

You know, they weren’t touring, they weren’t booking, they weren’t doing anything of that nature, but if I could get them online, show their sets, and it wasn’t just a radio show, it was a video show, and show that and promote that and to the masses, now you have people turning in from all over the world, seeing somebody they’ve never even heard of. And this is in 2009, not like a couple of years ago when that thing happened.

[Nvrsoft]
I’m happy to be here with you. Like, I think that’s so important. Like, it’s keeping the rave alive, man.

[Darran]
Yeah, and it’s been about, you know, we always have what we call on the show an open door or open table policy, whereas, you know, if you’re a beginner, knock on our door. If you’re seasoned, knock on our door. We welcome everyone to come on board, no politics or anything.

Yeah, we do feature a lot of big name artists on the show, but like I was telling you pre-show, that was not really the original concept of the show. Like I said, I mentioned Dave Dresden came over and played my bedroom about two months after doing the show. Everyone thought it was our new studio, but it was really my bedroom.

And, you know, he came over and played, and I said, wait a second, I can change the whole format of the show and do something different here and include big names when they come to town and then work with the local guys who are the residents of our show. And that tradition is still carried on to this day. So we’re looking to work with, you know, pretty much anyone out there and feature them on our show and or make them an honorary resident DJ or resident DJ on the show.

Going back to this all, you said you kind of are looking out for the newer talent and how important that is. Overall though, what is the number one reason that gives you the inspiration to make music and push it out there? Is there one calling, call sign that things are, I mean, there’s always a million things of why we’re in this business.

[Nvrsoft]
So I think art, all art, and I’ve done many forms of art, but I think music and food have always, music, food, and photography and photography.

[Darran]
Food, I love you already. Yeah, I love you, Judy.

[Nvrsoft]
I think those are my biggest, and also one day I’ll get honed into my writing. But I think art, the way I define art is the organic expression of the self. It’s of you and it’s by you.

If it’s of you, but not by you, it’s a product. And if it’s by you, but not of you, it’s a product. And that’s okay.

Products are fine. Just don’t advertise them as art for me. So I think it’s, for me, it’s not just a way to express myself.

It’s really, it’s a means of connecting with the world around me and to be able to just not only express who I am, but express like all of those feelings in us. All beauty. I mean, I’m much more of a, my one thing that I feared was, I love Van Gogh very much, but I always feared that life of just the suffering.

He found so much beauty in his suffering, but I really, I don’t want that in my life. That’s somebody who should have been realized in his lifetime and was really destroyed by it, destroyed by the world around him, but still tried so hard to create the beauty and people didn’t realize it until he was gone. And I think that’s tragic.

And I think that’s important, but for me, I’m trying to push the best in me, which, and I’m not a perfect person, but I’m trying to be real and authentic, but I am, I think the more I grow, and the more that I know that everything I do, say, put out, that goes to other people. If you’re selfish with this, the energy that you put out into a crowd like that or in people’s speakers, they feel that and they resonate it with a different way. So how do you want them to feel?

How do you want them to feel? How do you want to channel that energy when people are, especially in times like this, where so many people are feeling scared, oppressed, insecure, like we’re in a volatile space and everybody’s going through that in their own and very valid ways. I want to recognize that, but also try to do things that steer the battalion in the right direction.

And I want to be conscious of that. So I think that’s what I try and do with my art. And that’s why I’m like, I’m really sporadic about it.

I don’t have, I lack, I have all the passion in the world, but something I struggle with is discipline. But I’ve learned to just accept that in me. I make music when I’m conscious and I feel like it.

Because for me, if I turn it into a routine or just something I do, then I’m not connected with it. It’s like how I am with eating. I eat when my body tells me to eat.

And when I’m hungry, I don’t force myself to eat because I don’t want to become disconnected with I think things like with the art in life. Like I need to do that consciously, not just for me, but for other people, because what you do and what you put out, whether it’s realized today or how many people, it doesn’t matter, but that’s going to affect, that’s going to have a ripple effect. And like, that’s going, you know, it’s not just, it’s not a tree falls in the forest and nobody’s around to hear it.

It still makes a sound. It still makes a big sound, you know?

[Darran]
And speaking of that kind of ripple effect and effect on others in a community, you work closely with the D&B Girls. Introduced, I was introduced to you through Miss Isis and, you know, definitely looking at having some more of them on the series as well, which I’m really excited to be doing. But how did you get involved with the D&B Girls and how long, how has that partnership been so far?

[Nvrsoft]
Actually, it was Stacey who invited me. I love her. Man, me and Stacey are like sisters on a very spiritual level.

Talk about like different, but like fame, fame, but different energy. Like, I think we really like have a deep understanding for our perspectives and backgrounds. I think what we’ve been through and trying to do it.

Like, she’s one of those people, like her, Reed Rossin, Reed Speed, you know, I’ve got a couple of like a Karen Iris, somebody who can really, I can really talk to, but like, I have a lot of great peers, but like, I think for women and female, I just find all of our, like, you know, our minority spaces, which I don’t like, because like, these are the people who like, you know, all these cultures are what founded dance music. But I think like, it sometimes can feel like a very lonely place. Like you have a lot of like, we love our allies, man.

Like we don’t want to just like, for me, like I wanna, I’m turning the line between like, I wanna push us up, but like, I don’t want only anybody’s spaces. I don’t think that there’s any, I think it’s well-intended, like when people want to do like female nights or whatever, but like, I think if you really want progress, then you just have your lineups. What you’re doing reflect the world.

It should have everybody in it. Like, you know, this is a space that’s welcoming to everybody. So I think like, we’ve got to, we’re trying to tow, you know, focusing and showcasing on, you know, people’s maybe, you know, like, God knows how long it took for everybody’s like, you know, like I speak to Reed about this all the time.

She went through so much things in her career, but she didn’t have the luxury and the privilege of being able to speak out in like UKF, I was able to, okay. But people like her walked so we could run, you know? And I think like, that’s very important to recognize, but now that we can talk about it, we need to turn that talking into action.

And that’s by, you know, I don’t want, you know, I don’t like, I’m very uncomfortable in spaces that aren’t diverse. It makes me, I don’t care what kind of lack of diversity it is, but when I’m in a space like that, I don’t like it. I don’t like it at all.

I don’t feel, I think, man, one of the best, you know, my economics class, you know, like you go, you have two types of growth, you know, linear and exponential. And real, really the change, the real growth is the exponential curve. That’s when change happens.

Otherwise it’s just input, output. And that only happens through diversity, diversity in thoughts, human beings, technology, and ideas. And so the mark of a good civilization and a good place and health is that diverse space.

So I think I was at a point, I think what D&B Girls and what they do very well is they welcome people in who are really at that point in their career where that kind of community and that not just that, it’s not just like a, we promo you, we share, it’s a safe space. You can go like, we can go in there and just ask and just talk about things that other people can, you know, sympathize with, but not empathize with. Just like how I can’t empathize with single fathers, right?

Like I can sympathize with them, but I can’t empathize with them. You know, everybody has their own very different and very valid struggles. So yeah, so having a safe space to be able to talk to peers who not only are just, you know, not just, you know, wherever they’re at in their careers, we have people who are only DJs, we have producers, we have people on every level.

But I think just knowing we all have that thing in common where we’re all just looking for a community and a space to belong, you know, and to not be alone in this.

[Darran]
Absolutely, you know, and that definitely sense of community is huge, you know, and especially for an artist, you know, of having somewhere to go and somebody, somewhere to trust and be, and I was just speaking about this with somebody earlier this week. Does Juma Sound, I’m sorry, Juma Sound System. And you know, he was talking about the effects of the dopamine kick you get and the withdrawals that happen.

You know, you can go from one minute, you know, being a sensation or being on stage in front of hundreds or thousands of people to two hours later, you’re sitting in the airport and you’re on a phone by yourself.

[Nvrsoft]
Yeah.

[Darran]
And because you got to fly to the next gig. And that rush of being here to here, to here, to here, or even the online blitz of being a social media influencer online. And then all of a sudden, you don’t follow up with it.

[Nvrsoft]
You know, like that’s a weird transition, like losing privacy. Like, and it’s like, I’m like, man, I feel like people are like, where are you? And I’m like, I’m not Lady Gaga out here, thank God.

But like, I’m like, you know, there’s a Google page. So like, I’m comfortably at like C plus B minus, you know, bliss. And I’m comfortable with that, like with like it blowing up, all this kind of things.

I’m scared of that because I’ve seen, and luckily I think the most important thing, having good people around you, genuinely good people around you who are in your best interest, truly. And there are a lot of people who will, I’m a very, I’m a completely open book. I have no filter.

I’m a very vulnerable person. And that will, that has hurt me many times. But honestly, I’ve taken a thousand arrows in the back.

I wouldn’t change it at all. Because I think if I lost that, if I let that pain of people taking advantage, shut me off from the world, the things, all the good things that I’ve gotten from being this kind of person way out, you know, it outweighs the bad. The dark side’s always gonna be over there, man.

You know, like that’s something I struggled with for a very long time for a lot of reasons, you know, trauma and also just things I grew up with. But, you know, as I grew older, I’m trying very hard to pick my battles wisely. I fight, I can fight my things and nobody else’s, but I can be an ally, stand by people.

You know, I’ll fight to the teeth for the people that I love. And so everybody around me, as I judge myself, I’m very, very hard on myself. I think, man, and if I can crack that, then I’m, you know, really gonna be unstoppable.

But, you know, when I feel bad about myself, I look around at the global network of people that I have. I don’t have everybody. And I’m not here for everybody.

I don’t want the whole world. I want the people that are meant to be with me. And that’s not everyone.

And that’s okay. That doesn’t mean people hate me. But like, I don’t, you know, like anybody else, I struggle with, you know, with anger or with insecurity or like lots of things, you know, like I’m no perfect person, but, you know, but I really gather strength from the good people that come into my life each and every day.

You know, whether they’re, I don’t, nobody in my life has tenure. You know, I don’t believe in that. I like, I’m, I love that.

Like, I like, like coming here into Pittsburgh, they talk about a wonderful scene. Like, I feel so at home here. And like the DMV, you know, DC, Maryland, Virginia area.

I love them. They are absolutely who made me for who I am. But it was not, that was trial by fire in a lot of ways.

It was a very difficult scene with so much talent. I mean, like, we’re talking about like, where did the rave start? Yeah, DC and like Chicago, baby.

Okay. Like, you gotta talk about where the rave popped off. Yeah, DC has a big thing, but like, as it commercialized and people got, they kind of lost, they tune in and tune out of it.

You know, like when times are hard, people get competitive and petty and hard. And they like, they’re those kinds of people, you know? But that’s not everybody.

That’s not everybody at all. And like those people, that minority, that negative minority is very loud. They are the 1%.

We are bigger than that. And I try and focus on that. And that’s, you know, I’m trying to be the best person that I can be for all those people.

Because as the more I look in the world, like we’re very similar to the fifties. Like the things that were fed in the media or propaganda, like, you know, who are, you know, the messages that men get sent about what it means to be a man. We’ll talk about, you know, or women or anybody else, right?

Like what messages are we giving? And like, I respect people, you know, there are other artists that their social media is curated, it looks like a magazine cover. They do not post anything about their personal life.

I respect that. I really do. I respect and understand that.

But for me, that’s not me. That’s just not me. Like, I’m not gonna hide.

And you know, there was this incredible study that a bunch of the universities in the UK did. And I found out through the BBC, but they did this massive study on the female experience in art. And what, like women, if people, if it is a known fact that you have a significant other, this is a crazy statistic.

It ruins your profit by, or profit, or just whatever, like 77%, okay? Because people look at you and they’re like, well, if I can’t fuck her, then I don’t want it. But you know, for me, you know, hey, hey, bye, bye, bye.

Because like, I don’t want those people.

[Darran]
It’s funny you bring that study up. I’m gonna, I have something to add to that is I was working with a band about 25 years ago and the band member, what sounded like was a total a-hole statement to make to his girlfriend. And it was very relevant.

This is early MySpace days. This is people were just getting online in the sense of even having a band page or an artist page or, you know, getting out there. And so basically, you know, he told his girlfriend, he said, she kind of went and complained, even though there was like four people in the audience, three of them were girls.

And he glad him and he went after the show and was talking to them and hanging out, like signing, they bought some CDs, things like that. Being nice. And I remember him saying to me in a conversation, he said, yeah, my girlfriend one time, I think it was an ex-girlfriend, not the person he was with.

She said, she got really pissed at me because I was talking to the girls and wasn’t spending time with her. And she came out to see the show and everything. He had explained to her, he said, look, these are fans that are coming out here to see my show.

And I’m talking to them in a professional capacity as the artist of the band. These are people that are gonna word of mouth to help get tickets to come. We had five people to show up to the show tonight.

And three of them were these girls.

[Nvrsoft]
Like we’re talking about promoters and artists and put them on pedestals now. And that really pisses me off, man. Like those people are there for you.

Like chime in on it.

[Darran]
So, I mean, he’s basically signing autographs and hanging out with them. They’re glad he had them a little bit. Maybe they’ll buy a little bit of merch from a shirt from the table or help out and be at the next show and tell their friends and bring a group of five friends and help build that buzz.

And I see that a lot in the industry being in film intelligence for years. You know, I call it the shiny new object. You find somebody, they wanna be in entertainment but they have no idea what it means to be entertainment.

And then they have, you know, the three things that may stand in their way, which could be significant other who doesn’t understand what they’re going after. I mean, job and school. I’m always supportive of those two things getting in the way.

I never let anything get in the way of education.

[Nvrsoft]
Bad managers.

[Darran]
Yeah, but you know, I mean, basically, you know, of, you know, the shiny new object or people not understanding what this is all about, but that significant other can get in the way either from a negative influence or from a marketing influence, you know.

[Nvrsoft]
100%.

[Darran]
Or just people not understanding that.

[Nvrsoft]
And they’ll try and cause damage. It’s just like, I don’t engage with that, man. Like, it’s like, I had something this week.

Man, it was crazy. Like, I got hit up by an acquaintance, you know, from my childhood who’s, honestly, I’m like, we’re cool. I was happy to hear from him.

Then he was just like, you know, he sent me a picture of, you know, like it on Spotify. And he was like, ah, I finally find you on Spotify. And I was like, ah, nice.

We’re talking about his life. And he’s like, I’m so proud of you. And I’m like, oh, thanks, man.

You know, I really appreciate it. I’m happy to hear from you. And he’s like, you know, since I had my kid, I’m, you know, I’m not as, you know, I’m not as connected to the scene.

It’s nice to know that people still remember me and care. And I’m like, yeah, of course I do, man. I’m happy to hear from you.

Like, thank you. And then literally, deadass 180 pivot into one of the major events in America this week, and just starts going in on it in not the direction that I agree with. And so I literally respectfully, I was like, I’m sorry, man.

You’re barking up the wrong tree with this one. Love you, but that’s not for me. I’m exiting the chat now.

I’m trying my best not to engage with it.

[Darran]
Yeah.

[Nvrsoft]
All right, so I just leave it there. And I’m like, I’m good. I’m not doing this.

And then my friend is just like, man, so-and-so is trying to make you famous. And I’m like, oh God, what now? You know?

And so I guess he made a status screenshotting my stuff, which I say, I’m like, I’m literally just like, hey, I don’t agree, but I don’t wanna engage in this. And I think it’s like, it’s literally what I said. Doesn’t even tag my artist page.

Doesn’t tag me. But so I just don’t, I don’t engage with it. I block it.

I’m like, man, that’s just too bad. And then I see all this really nasty stuff. And I think that happens.

I mean, that comes with the territory. And it’s sad to see, because it’s like, man, it’s like all these people in the chat. I’m like, man, I had your back.

I’m like, what was the reason? You know, like, what’s the reason? But, and I think all that negativity, unless somebody brings it to my attention, you know, I don’t care.

So I blocked him. And then, man, I think my friend, God bless him, Carl, he’s a bad man. He was like, I was like, Carl, you wanna put a timer on how long that status is gonna last?

And literally it was gone before 9 a.m. the next day. I didn’t say anything. I literally, the only conversation I had was with my friend that brought it to the attention.

And I was like, you know, I’m not celebrating nothing, but also like, I said what I said and I stand by it. You know, like, I think you can, you know, you can not cheer for things, but also like, you know, it’s a healthy thing to have your boundaries of like, no, I’m not gonna have compassion for people who spend their lives profiting off of, you know, putting other people down in a genuine way. I think that you can be a compassionate person, but also be saying like, that’s not okay.

And like, I’m not okay with what’s happening, you know, like that. I know you don’t like to get political, but like, I think it’s important. Like, you know, like a lot of scary stuff is happening to a lot of people we care about.

And they deserve to like, you know, I’m not trying to fight their battle, but like, I’m like, I need, you know, I don’t care if people don’t like me because I’m political. That’s when my, I put that on my own personal profile. You don’t have to be there.

You know, my dad told me something amazing. He said, Catherine, if they don’t like you, they can leave. They don’t have to be there.

They don’t have to follow you. They don’t have to be on your name, you know.

[Darran]
If we turn that same type of conversation into the music industry, you know, and there’s no way you’re ever gonna please every single person out there. I was doing an interview last week with a group and they tied it in. I’m not gonna sit.

People can go back and watch the interview. I won’t name who they are, but it was an awesome interview. I was having a great time.

I did not know anything about them. I mean, I can do my surface research, but I wasn’t like a long time fan, like know every single song, when it was produced, who they collaborated with, every single thing behind them. And every interview I do when I first get to do it is like, I’m getting to know somebody.

Like we’re sitting down having a cup of coffee saying, tell me all about yourself, Kathy, what’s up? And we’re having a great conversation. And that’s the way my interview style flows.

Well, I’m watching the chat room, cause they pumped it up and we were like number 11 in the world on Twitch for this. And I’m sitting there, I’m like, okay. And somebody comes in the chat room and goes and says something really kind of awful.

Like almost like a heckler in a comedy show in that comment and the thing, and I went, yeah. And I went, I saw it and it kind of threw me off. You could tell in the interview that I was distracted cause I didn’t know where that was gonna go in a live chat room with hundreds of people in there talking and doing their thing.

And so I was more modern in the chat room and this person said, does this guy even know who these people are? It looks like he needs to do some more research.

[Nvrsoft]
Yeah.

[Darran]
And I’m sitting there and I’m kind of thinking to myself, well, where could this go down the line? Do they have fans that are gonna completely like trash me in the chat room and make fun of me while this is going on? And somebody came back in almost instantaneously and said, hey, you may be a super fan of these people.

This guy is just getting to know him and doesn’t know everything like you know. So, you know, chill out basically. And I saw that and I was like, and then I jumped in the chat room and said, thank you very much.

This is the first time I’m interviewing these two. Don’t know much about them. If you do have a question you’d like me to ask, let me know.

[Nvrsoft]
But like, it needs to be a valid question.

[Darran]
But you’re just chewing me up.

[Nvrsoft]
I literally, what I loved when I chose communications, cause I chose like, I had my two bachelor’s degrees, but when I went back to the University of Maryland, cause the first time I went to college, I studied political science at Penn State. Then I started doing my music career. I got pulled back to DC.

So I went back to the University of Maryland where my mother worked for 35 years. So like, hey, tuition remission, really nice. I mean, when your family doesn’t have to pay $40,000 plus in a semester, you know?

And I was like, cause like at that point I loved Penn State. Man, I could talk for ages about Penn State, but I was being pulled every weekend out. And I’m like, man, this, you know, like I gotta, you know, I want it to be less impactful on my family.

So then I went to University of Maryland. I studied environmental science and policy. I really want to, if I ever have a master’s or a doctorate like my mom, I want to study crisis communications.

I really want to do a study on how sounds can be better utilized to affect people in crisis situations because that’s what I’d like to do. I really care about that. I care about people’s safety.

Like we’re here to party, but also like people’s safety is kind of first on my mind. But anyways, you know, so when I went, then finally then I went to the Culinary Institute of America, did all that. Then came back to music, did all that, toured around for a bunch and then went back to finish my degree.

It took me 10 years to get my back, 10 years, because I was trying to fit myself into this, the box that, you know, like people who do nine to fives, like all that, like that four year college people, like I envy that, you know, but I realized it took me a long time to realize I was not that person. And I needed to stop trying to fit myself into that box. But I think like when you’re in your bachelor’s, they’re trying to fit you in that box.

It’s very much about like, it’s not about like for me. And I thought like, I’m like, I’m gonna take my time. I want to give the quality of my work.

Even if it takes longer, I want to give the best result possible and I want to do it. I don’t care about just making deadlines and doing it. That’s just not me.

And I luckily I found great teachers and great places of education that fostered that and understood that. And also worked with my, you know, with my learning disabilities and my, you know, and my mental health stuff. A lot that I was going on while I was going on, you know, being a young person going through this.

And I’m very thankful for them. So when I chose communications, I felt like that was the pin that connected all of the forms of art I do. Because that’s what it stems down to.

Like when I was at Penn State, I studied best thing I ever did. All right, there’s this professor there named Samuel Richards. And if you look him up, when I found him, he was named as Time Magazine’s top 100 most dangerous professors in America.

I found him and I was like, I need to take a class from this man. If you look up Sam Richards Ted Talk on YouTube, he did this incredible, very poignant Ted Talk about empathy right after September 11th. I lost one of my best friends as a child in September 11th.

I lost one of my best friends, my friend Zoe and her whole family were on the plane that crashed in the Pentagon. She was the one that she stood up to my bullies in school. She was the first person that stood up for me in school.

So I have a, I don’t really like 9-11 jokes very much. You know, cause there were real people there and I don’t really care where it comes from. But he had this very, very wonderful talk where he talks about empathy using that situation.

And he puts you into the people’s shoes in Afghanistan and they’re feeling, right? And it’s really beautiful. I watched that and I was like, man, I gotta take a class from this man.

So I took communications 101 with Sam Richards and the best thing that he ever taught me, I’m a spiritual person. I was raised Presbyterian, but my parents never forced religion on me. But like I personally, I definitely believe in a power that’s greater than me.

And when hard times are there, I do pray and I do put my energy out in the world. And I thank God for the life I’m living, whatever. And I think I use God as a very liberal term, but so I don’t know.

I just, he taught me about the founder of the art of communications, which is a man named Joseph Campbell. Joseph Campbell was an incredible theologian. And if you wanna research about him, that’s a rabbit hole.

That man was like the real life Indiana Jones. Like that dude lived coolest life. Like he was crazy, but he is the person that turned communications into a science.

This was around when like psychology and psychiatry were also getting recognized as like a legitimate science. He’s the person that did that. And he wrote this book called, “‘A Hero with a Thousand Faces.”

And he basically, Joseph Campbell said that whether it’s a story of Jesus, Star Wars, whatever, it doesn’t matter. Everybody is basically telling the universal human story of existence. And he compares it to like a clock.

Like the hero starts out at 12 o’clock and he starts out in the known, surrounded by all the people that nurture them, everybody that’s around them. And somewhere around like one or two o’clock, there’s this external force that calls them from the known into the unknown. And then they go into three o’clock and they go from the known into the unknown.

And then all through that, they have mentors and gifts and challenges and all the trials and tribulations. And they go through all those quests and all those things and all those gifts and people trying to help you along the way. And then at six o’clock, the hero reaches a point of metaphysical, spiritual or physical death.

And there it’s called, he calls it the belly of the whale, compares it to Jonah. And so, and basically everyone is a hero in their own journey. But when you’re in that point, he says that you have a choice whether you choose the light at the end of the tunnel and you choose life or you just stay in the belly of the whale.

If you do, then you pass through that point. And then you go through a period of what they call atonement, where you think about all those things that brought you to that point and you reflect on them. And then you do your apologies and you rectify for them.

And then at the end, the hero comes back to 12 o’clock, comes back to the place of the known and shares all the lessons that they made on the journey. And that was the best thing I think that I’ve ever learned in my life. Whether it’s Buddha or Jesus, whatever, that’s all the story.

And we live that cycle every day in our whole life, in all of our lifetimes after, every single thing in it just repeats. And when I found that man, that’s like all of my early albums, all my stuff that I’m doing on audio point is about that. I dedicated that to Samuel Richards, teaching me that.

I think that, yeah, that’s kind of, that’s religion to me.

[Darran]
You know? I always love it when a guest almost, I don’t send out questions before interviews, but they almost lead right into the next question I’m gonna ask, or they answer it before they know I’m gonna ask it, like this intuitive nature thing. I don’t know what it is.

It’s so awesome when it happens. Because my next question I literally was gonna ask you is, who has been your biggest influence when it comes to your career as an artist and why? And I think that just summed it up.

[Nvrsoft]
Samuel Richards, Anthony Bourdain, and Shimon Alkobi.

[Darran]
That’s awesome.

[Nvrsoft]
Not to forget Lynn Dudinsky, my father, and Linda Gassman.

[Darran]
Yeah, yeah, that’s awesome though. I mean, I just, I always love that serendipitous moment.

[Nvrsoft]
I got five on it!

[Darran]
I know! You know, we’re getting close to the final, getting close up here, and I wanted to talk about your events that you have coming up really quickly, because I can list them off, and you can tell me a little bit about them, but you have Submersion Festival with Miss Isis, and Lovelace coming up in October. You got the Nvrsoft Encounter Culture, Premonitions of Love in March.

You got the Healing Retreat at Mount Shasta, also to be announced in March, coming up. You’re out there touring. You mentioned you go to London, you go to England, you know, overseas.

[Nvrsoft]
You know- I’m excited, I’ve got a couple of things cooking, not announced yet, but I’m talking to my friends in Germany and the Netherlands. I’m really excited. My other friend, Katerina, as we really get along, but my friend Kati runs an amazing crew right outside of Berlin.

And so they’re going to be relaunching their stuff this year. They took a hiatus to go do that, and they’re going to be starting their shows again. So I will be happy to come back to Leipzig, hopefully sometime this year.

Hoping to come back to the Netherlands. I just went to Liquicity, and my favorite festival, got all my friends in the back. I go there every year.

I cannot speak highly enough about the Liquicity crew. Hoping to get to playing with them one of these days. It’s going to happen, but I just, I really enjoy that right now.

Otherwise, man, you know, I got Submersion on the books, but I think until I got a flight, a deposit, we know, like I try not to think about it too much. I like the hiatus. Like I’m looking forward, like one, my parents are like, my parents’ birthdays are right after Submersion in October.

So I’m looking forward to being able to go home, spend some time with them, just sit down. And I’ve got 25 tunes on the docket.

[Darran]
Nice.

[Nvrsoft]
Like all of my releases, but like a lot of stuff I need to get finished for like five EPs, another one that’s up for a big license. So I’m just like, I’m trying to like go and focus on my stuff and then get back with my, you know, with my friends that I’m, you know, like I’m working on stuff with, and try and get back to that. Because I think like, you know, when you’re on the road, it’s very, you know, it’s chaotic.

And like, but like, you need to hone into that. Like, I don’t, you know, I’m there like I’ve been traveling. Travel like really inspires me, gives me that thing.

So it’s in phases. So I think I’m going to go into a phase where I just kind of lock it down, work on my music. And then I take gigs as they come.

I don’t have a booking manager. I have friends that are helping me. So, but I take like literally, like if you want to book me, you can hit me up on Facebook, on Instagram, at officialNvrsoft at, you know, at gmail.com.

Find me anyway. But I, you know, I talk with every single person that, you know, wants to bring me out. And I might actually, I had somebody ask me to play their wedding, which was adorable.

Yeah. Somebody that I just met in Pittsburgh, like a college kid and his fiance. They were just like, would you ever consider?

I’m like, yeah. Like I’ll go wherever anybody calls me to. And I just kind of take that as it comes.

But I think at this point, you know, like, you know, earlier we were talking about like, you know, you need to go out and like do a lot of things. But when it comes to gigs, I do sit back and I wait for like, I’ll wait for the people who want to come to meet me. You know, when it comes to my art, I push that out.

But like, you know, I kind of, because I think, you know, I think you go through phases in your career where you need to push yourself out, do all those things to go do the network thing. But like for right now, like I’m not, I’m not there right now. Like I need to focus on like the music gotta come first.

And then like, I’m focused on quality, not quantity. I want to make sure like, I don’t care about big crowds. I don’t care about big money.

I want to work with good people who are running things that I know that all the people that come on my side, that they’re going to be safe, that they’re going to have a good thing. You know, like I care about that. And that’s not, you know, that’s not everybody.

Because our rave has turned into a big, you know, when we had the second drug war, you know, that moved our spaces into how, you know, how are people making profit at keeping the doors open? Alcohol. That’s every drug different, but like it brings in a different thing.

It makes business different, right? Like, so, and now we have like, I call them, you know, the cow pens, right? And we’ve got these boxes of rooms and the DJs at the front and everybody, you know, and on the phones and like, well, you know, I luckily, I was lucky to catch the tail end of the real raves.

And I remember, you know, I had trapped warehouse parties that I found through the buzz board when I was 14 years old, you know, and I had like, you know, and I found that with my best friend. And then I remember, you know, you had all your dancers, you had all of the, everybody, but like the DJ was usually like, you had five rooms in this warehouse. The DJ was tucked behind the corner.

There was a part of the whole atmosphere. It was a whole environment. And that’s like, that’s what the rave is to me.

Everybody, nobody was bigger or lesser and everybody was a part of that energy and that catharsis. And so like, it’s, it’s, you know, like, I’m trying not to fight what it is now, but also like, remember like, if we lose in touch with our roots, like, I don’t know what we’re going to do, but I also, you know, I struggle with people who are just like me, new thing, bad, old thing, good, you know? And like, because like, we need to like kind of, you know, we need to have a little bit of both.

And I think that we can still bring the rave into these new spaces. And like, if we don’t, if we don’t share what this culture is about and the way that it’s supposed to be with the younger generation coming in, then they’re not going to learn it and they’re not going to pass it on to somebody else. And a lot of people did that for me, you know?

So, that’s what I’m hoping to try and do.

[Darran]
You know, I have so many more questions I want to ask you. We’re going to reschedule another interview. I know we’re going to be talking for the future.

I would love that.

[Nvrsoft]
Anytime.

[Darran]
Awesome. I do have one question though. One question for our DJ sessions fans though.

And this question is, is what is your food of choice for an event?

[Nvrsoft]
100% SpaghettiOs. I love my giant Randy Savage Slim Jims. I actually, I just did this for immersion.

I love, some of my favorite foods, Tabouleh. I love Tabouleh and I love kimchi. So much.

If you give me kimchi or Tabouleh, vodka and Red Bull, Slim Jims, possibly a hard boiled egg. As long as it’s not a spoiled duck egg, cause.

[Darran]
I’ve had those before. I love them.

[Nvrsoft]
Yes. Oh, me too. But I accidentally did, I was, for my last two shows, I went to like, I had back-to-back stuff, really cool gigs.

I had, on Friday, I had, I direct supported from Monty, one of my good old friends who played in Asheville. And I played for him for Eurolure. And then the next day I hopped on a plane, went to Carsonville, Michigan, to the amazing people who run Woodkey Festival.

There’s back-to-back, but literally three days before that, I had, I had fermented, these, I love to go to my foreign markets and I picked up Chinese salted duck eggs, which are great. But they were, I think, they were just a day too long. And I tried, I pickled them for months, man.

Okay. I like all the things like, I’m Ukrainian, I know how to pickle stuff. And I was like, ah, maybe I’ll save it.

And we were like, our shit was empty in the fridge at the time. And I was like, ah, okay, I’m going to chance it. Bad, bad decision.

Okay. Children, listen when I tell you, chickens and ducks are not the same. Chickens are forgiving.

Okay. Ducks hold the grudge. Like Samora, I was so violently ill.

Like, I mean, like I’ve been a chef. I’ve had neurovirus before, honey. But this shit was next level.

I’m like, I’m so sick through like all these things. And I fell off of a fucking dinosaur. Yeah.

Yes. That’s a literal thing that I did. So Ryan and I went to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, which is one of the most amazing museums in the United States.

They have a giant replica of a, hold on, just so everybody knows who Dippy is. Don’t, don’t do that on camera. Okay.

So, so this is Dippy. Dippy is a diplodocus. This is Dippy the dinosaur.

Okay. So outside of the museum, they have a life-size replica of Dippy the dinosaur. This is Labor Day weekend.

We’re outside of Pittsburgh University. Ryan and I are drunk running through. We just sped run through all the magic rock section.

Cause he knows me. I had a great time at the museum. We go outside and he’s like, and he dares me.

He’s like, do what you want to climbing up of Dippy. Okay. So he hoists me on this tree, which is kind of like, it reminds me of like the Lion King tree.

Like, it felt like I was Tarzan, but he has this long branch. And if I climb the long branch and then swing, I can get on Dippy’s tail. And so I do it.

Okay. So I do it. I climb all the way up to Dippy’s neck, like right here.

And I’m like, hee hee. And like all these, like college kids are like filming me, and I’m like, I’ve done it. And also worth it, man.

That view from the city, from on top of that was crazy. And I was like, it’s me. I am the Lion King.

And I went up and I was like, hi, so like, I’m like ready to get on the descent. Cause I finally looked down and I’m like, oh shit. I’m like 25 feet off the ground.

And I’m like, I’m not 17 no more. And I can’t tuck and roll. And I’m either going to need to tuck and roll in the bushes or I’m going to hit the bouncy bounce.

And I’m like, you know, don’t do it. So I asked Ryan, you know, Ryan’s tall. So Ryan’s got my, my ankles in his hand and we’re like ready.

I’m like, okay, okay. Let’s just say we would not make good cheerleaders. Okay.

Because it’s made out of plastic. So like when I’m on my descent, like we were ready. Like we looked each other in the eyes.

We’re like, okay, ready, trust fall. But I slip on my left hip and I eat shit. Okay.

Ryan bless him. Cushions my whole fall with like his whole body. But I got, man, I don’t know what it was, if it was his elbow or my elbow, but it went in between my pressure point and my spine.

Right here. I had a massive forearm bruise, nothing, nothing broken. And then my left hip, I was walking around janky for like days, dude.

It took me like, like, yeah. So like, I’ve just, I’ve been beat up a little bro. But like, we’re still doing it.

So, so yeah.

[Darran]
That’s a, that’s a horror. Yeah. I gotta be, remember too at 51, I’m not 22 anymore.

[Nvrsoft]
Right.

[Darran]
you know, I get all that, you know, you gotta be very careful with all that stuff that we do nowadays.

[Nvrsoft]
Videos, videos. On my TikTok, which is where I go to like shit posts for the most part. And there’s this video of me, like slow climbing.

Like I’m like 007. I’m like, you know, I’m like, you know, and he just goes, you got this babe. And I go, I know it’s a marathon, not a sprint.

And I’m just, scooching up the dinosaur. Yeah. So, and honestly, eating shit was a hundred percent worth it to climb a dinosaur.

So.

[Darran]
Well, you know, I’m going to give a shout out. I’m having a little, little minor conversation while you’re talking about all that. David Yates, who found us on Instagram is watching right now.

Kind of give him a shout out right now. And, and so, yeah. Just want to, he was, he was loving the interview.

He wants to know more about you and how to book you and get you out here. So we’re going to talk about Q and all that fun stuff. We’ll talk with, we’ll talk about that after the show.

[Nvrsoft]
Is he also from Seattle? Is he from your area?

[Darran]
I believe he’s from Seattle. Yeah, definitely. He’s a, I’m friends with him on Instagram.

He follows my, my show. And, yeah, so.

[Nvrsoft]
I would literally love to come out. I’ve been to Portland, not Seattle. My good friend, Casey, we love your area.

And Seattle, yeah, you guys really know how to.

[Darran]
I’ll have to put you in touch with, with my friend, Monty Hathaway. Yeah. He runs the Waterland Arcade.

He’s huge drum and bass. I mean, drum and bass in his blood veins. And he is very awesome and has some stuff going on here.

I’ll definitely put you in touch with him.

[Nvrsoft]
I’d be honored. And I think, I think I’ve got a friend or two, Emily. Yeah.

[Darran]
And we’ll get you out here in our mobile studio when you get out here too. And have you come play our mobile sessions.

[Nvrsoft]
I’d love that so much.

[Darran]
Yeah, it’d be awesome to get you out here. Well, on that note, is there anything else you want to let people know before we let you go?

[Nvrsoft]
I’d like to give a big shout out to my amazing future husband, Ryan Pantos. Ryan Pantos is my life. Who’s that girl?

So that’s number one. Second, I think there’s, I’m working on this tune that I can’t talk too, too much about, but, but I will say that I want to give a big shout out to my friends in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Checks out.

And I want to give a plug for my friend, Zur Divine. Who’s an amazing rapper and hip hop artist, who I’m very, very happy to be working on with a tune. And also give a shout out to my friends, Elsie Bay, Ayko, and Neil Healy.

We’re also working on that. Some big five things. So I’m, I’m excited for all that to get out.

I did give a shout out to all my, my friends in England. And honestly, honestly, yeah. If you want to know anything else, just hit me up on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, and sometimes on Twitch.

And also, sorry about my link tree. I don’t, I don’t update it as much as I can. Oh, also anything else that people can look out for.

One thing I do really want to plug is I have, I’m on, one second, one second. Please hold, please hold. Sorry.

I have to remember like the exact date. Hold on. That’s okay.

I believe it’s the 14th. No, okay. On the 24th of September, I’m going to be, I’m blessed to be having my third article with UKF.

And we are talking with my very, very good friend, Andre Leonard, who is one of the premier pianist conductors in our country. One of my best friends. And we did my first live orchestral show at the Howard Theater in DC.

So we’ve talked about, basically we kind of took the Red Bull symphonics. I took some notes from my, my friends, Camo and Crooked on that one. Cause I was pretty nervous.

[Darran]
Camo and Crooked.

[Nvrsoft]
For anybody who doesn’t know the Howard Theater is one of the oldest theaters in the United States. And it’s one of the first black theaters in, so being there was incredibly special for this first one. I played with an amazing, amazing crew of talent.

Lots of DC’s artists from, from Go-Go. And we’re just literally, we had just about everything. But we talked about that.

We’re going to be talking about that and where our project’s going in the future. And Carnegie and also Vienna Orchestra. And yes, so you can read about that coming up in UKF.

And I think, pretty sure that’s all I have.

[Darran]
There you go. No, and all that information and more can be found at your Facebook page. David, who’s in the chat room, he definitely wants to get information on you.

I sent him there about booking you and getting more information.

[Nvrsoft]
So he’ll probably reach out to you here soon. I swear on Facebook or text message, man. I’m horrible with email.

Like I literally am. I’m bad at that.

[Darran]
So yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, that’s the whole point of the show is having people come on and having people find people that they might not know about and going, wow, I want to find out more about them.

Cause we’re also going to be looking forward to possibly getting that exclusive mix from you as well. Which is awesome. And then we’re also going to possibly see some of your music in our music section as well.

Well, Kathy, AKA Neverstop, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It was a pleasure having you. I only got to about halfway through my questions.

It was a wonderful interview and I’m going to be talking to you more. Part two, exactly. And more new stuff coming up all the time.

Thank you for coming on the show today. Really appreciate it.

[Nvrsoft]
Darran, thank you very much for having me. This was an absolute pleasure.

[Darran]
You’re welcome.

[Nvrsoft]
I’m looking forward to speaking with you again and meeting in person. Can’t wait to meet you and your crew. Thank you very much for having me and also for supporting the crew and doing what you’re doing.

You’re doing a wonderful job.

[Darran]
Definitely. And next time I’m going to get that throat coat tea recipe from you so I can talk longer.

[Nvrsoft]
When I come to Seattle, I’m going to bring you like a giant Costco package of that.

[Darran]
That works.

[Nvrsoft]
And just throw it at you.

[Darran]
Yeah, there you go. Awesome. Thank you again for coming on the show today.

[Nvrsoft]
Bye everybody. Thank you so much for joining. I’ll talk to you guys next time.

[Darran]
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We have a mobile app and we’re going to be launching our new music section here shortly, lots of stuff and all that and more, more, more, more. We want you to be able to come there in the morning, noon and night. And there’s going to be something in the morning when you wake up at thedjsessions.com.

I’m your host, Darran, coming to you from the virtual studios in Seattle, Washington and coming in all the way from Ambridge, Pennsylvania. We have Nvrsoft, AKA Kathy on the DJ sessions. And remember on the DJ sessions, the music never stops.